tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668199593986982895.post6934065400342200193..comments2023-11-28T01:29:02.955-08:00Comments on Run Away Fast: At least I didn't get lappedJaymeehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01680519617786773673noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668199593986982895.post-40345531740198765012010-02-16T04:51:55.782-08:002010-02-16T04:51:55.782-08:00"I have a pantry full of recovery mixes. Why ..."I have a pantry full of recovery mixes. Why don't I use them? Who knows."<br /><br />Maybe it's because most of them taste like floor cleaner.Juliehttp://raceslikeagirl.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668199593986982895.post-2691627054412852372010-02-15T13:18:21.751-08:002010-02-15T13:18:21.751-08:00Ewen, Thanks for the reminder that training throug...Ewen, Thanks for the reminder that training through is a dicey proposition. I do think it was a wake up call to change things up a bit in my routine lest that bomber of a race be something really important, like my marathon.<br /><br />Julie, I would have done quite well in the Masters race even with the race I ran. As one person noted, I was the oldest person in the race. That actually doesn't give much comfort. <br /><br />How did you know that my favorite gu flavor is ham and cheese? I actually can't believe that you eat a sandwich right after a run. I think I have to stick to liquids. I have a pantry full of recovery mixes. Why don't I use them? Who knows.Jaymeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01680519617786773673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668199593986982895.post-92225663469869735712010-02-15T04:29:17.686-08:002010-02-15T04:29:17.686-08:00Whoops -- make that "doing tempo work at 6:00...Whoops -- make that "doing tempo work at 6:00..."Juliehttp://raceslikeagirl.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668199593986982895.post-42025257825074258512010-02-15T04:28:27.640-08:002010-02-15T04:28:27.640-08:00Good analysis by yourself and others. I was surpri...Good analysis by yourself and others. I was surprised that you ran in the open race rather than the masters race, but figured it was a team thing. Given that you mentioned recently that you're doing tempo work at 6:30, that pace made me think you were just having an off day.<br /><br />One tip: Don't even wait until you get home for post-workout recovery food. I find that half a ham and cheese sandwich is perfect. You can keep it in the car or a bag. Chcolate milk (hot or cold) is also the right balance.Juliehttp://raceslikeagirl.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668199593986982895.post-31482505307570055762010-02-15T02:52:59.753-08:002010-02-15T02:52:59.753-08:00Don't praise Scott like that Jaymee, or he mig...Don't praise Scott like that Jaymee, or he might start thinking he knows what he's talking about ;)<br /><br />Sorry you had a bad race, but as has been said before, one usually learns more from a bad race than a good one.<br /><br />Joe mentioned you 'training through' this race. Sometimes that will come off (usually if the competition isn't so strong), sometimes it won't. The big picture is you're training for a marathon, so a poor cross country race is hardly a disaster.Ewenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01093209634556111656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668199593986982895.post-5347756935579150482010-02-14T22:05:42.436-08:002010-02-14T22:05:42.436-08:00Thanks everyone for your thoughtful comments, sugg...Thanks everyone for your thoughtful comments, suggestions and encouragement!<br /><br />GB, You always have a way of finding a ray of sunshine in whatever nasty predicament I'm in. Thank you!<br /><br />GIM, I appreciate your corroboration of my assessment that a bunch of crap led to a bad day. I will definitely read that article about KG. I have it sitting on my coffee table at home.<br /><br />t-meat, Thanks for sharing your experience tweaking nutrition and sleep. The stupid thing is that I know that I'm supposed to eat/drink something right after a workout and have a pantry full of mixes. I've just become lazy or maybe complacent about it. I will try the Met-rx stuff. I'm always on the lookout for new products. Glad to hear you're able to get more sleep. When I have in the past, I have seen a change in emotional health too. It can only help.<br /><br />Joe, Thanks for the track meet anecdote. Very apropos. I am actually pretty comfortable running fast on the grass even though I've not raced on grass before. When I first started running, I did extensive speedwork in a grass field because our coach was a huge cross country fan. We would run 1000m repeats at various fast efforts with very short rests. i remember having no problem meeting if not exceeding expectations on the grass. I guess I believe that any race/workout I would have run yesterday, road or cross, would have been poor given all of the factors I had working against me. Though I realize it looked like I was calling you out on the Fitz book, that was not my intent. I appreciate you explaining your opinion, which I agree with. It is more synthesis of what others have done before and certainly not anything new. What is new is the way he presents it. For some reason the way he writes some sections of the book resonates with me and helps me "get it" in a way I haven't before. I find that useful.<br /><br />berylgruvr, You were there! You know, I didn't really have a problem with the course, I thought it was fine and the weather certainly was ideal. Maybe a little windy. You are lucky to have that fantastic trail in your backyard.<br /><br />Scott, I like the way you summarize the lesson. That's just the sentiment I was looking for, and you did it in one sentence! I tend to be quite verbose, as you can see. I do have confidence in my fitness and won't let this one shake my confidence.Jaymeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01680519617786773673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668199593986982895.post-87339717354587965882010-02-14T20:49:17.571-08:002010-02-14T20:49:17.571-08:00Yes, "J" your analysis is the correct on...Yes, "J" your analysis is the correct one. Too much training going into this and your mind has to know what to expect if you are to override it and pull out a special time.<br /><br />That feeling of wanting to but not being able to is frustrating but a lesson better learnt now than later.<br /><br />You'll have a good one again just do what you know, have written, you should.Samurai Runninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12295160713705142193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668199593986982895.post-76645650162108618362010-02-14T20:00:12.912-08:002010-02-14T20:00:12.912-08:00So sorry your race didn't go as well as you ha...So sorry your race didn't go as well as you had hoped. I ran the Erik Anderson Memorial Run at 9am. I came down that first little hill and thought wow this is slippery! My next thought was man I would not want to be running this course on the last race of the day!!<br />Spokane is a great place to run-the Centennial Trail is really a great place to run and bike. I feel so lucky to have it nearby!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668199593986982895.post-90332017366331636432010-02-14T18:59:02.903-08:002010-02-14T18:59:02.903-08:00I am moving my old blogs to my current site and I ...I am moving my old blogs to my current site and I came upon a report for my first track race -- a 1500 -- in 30 years. It begins, "What can I say? A disaster." and includes, my coach "Devon says, 'it can only get better.' That's true, the bright-side."<br /><br />I suspect the problem with your disaster was that you got hit with being in a race in a somewhat familiar but fundamentally different environment. Even if you run on trails and grass, it's nothing like the intensity of going out hard in a cross-country race. Things start to hurt in new, disturbing ways. "I've run this fast a zillion times. Why are my legs about to explode? And I've got another 6K." And then mentally things start going south.<br /><br />It takes getting used to. But even then it's tough. Every time I race the 5K at Van Cortlandt there's a spot where I just want to quit, about 1.25 in. <i>Every time.</i> And I've raced there since I was a sophomore in HS.<br /><br />Throw in all the other stuff going on. Let's face it, you trained through this thing. I think the recovery issue is how well you recover from workout A to be ready for workout B. But you were not tapering for this.<br /><br />Chalk it up to a valuable learning experience and, more important, a one-off that doesn't reflect your true condition. I agree. Don't be put off about running cross again, because with your strength background you'd probably prove to be pretty good at it.<br /><br />As to Fitzgerald, while he has some useful stuff to say, in the end I don't think he provides the magic formula for improvement that his presentation of a totally-new principle suggests, i.e., it's basically Daniels lite.Joe Garlandhttp://runwestchester.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668199593986982895.post-2960048594243127872010-02-14T18:38:40.280-08:002010-02-14T18:38:40.280-08:00sorry you had a bad experience this time around......sorry you had a bad experience this time around... but i'm sure you will have a great x-country experience in the future. <br /> about eating: angela and i have recently started drinking a protein drink immediately after we run, just so that we get some calories and protein right away. it's met-rx and it has about 20 grams of protein. i drink it really cold and ASAP after i run. i often drink coffee right after i run too, but if you down one of these drinks first, i think it gives important nutrients to your body.<br /> i do think it's smart that you will be paying close attention to how your body handles training these next few weeks. this is especially important as a masters runner. and i often find if i go over an edge, all i need is a few days of rest and i'm back in the game.<br /> and finally... i do think sleep is really important, though i do think people can pull great things off even if their sleep is not ideal. ever since i've had my sons, i am pretty sleep deprived... and sometimes it does take a toll... but lots of times you can still pull great things off. but lately i have been lucky to get as much as 7 hours of sleep a night sometimes because the boys are in a good sleep pattern. it really does seem to make a big difference in terms of how i feel not just physically but emotionally. anyway... good job this weekend. it's how you handle the tough days that builds a champion. it's easy to be tough when things are going good.t-meatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668199593986982895.post-63644733097909508372010-02-14T17:43:27.080-08:002010-02-14T17:43:27.080-08:00+1 to Glorybelle, no disaster to be found (though ...+1 to Glorybelle, no disaster to be found (though of course we get where you're coming from). Everything you mention would definitely come into play as hindering a "best" race, the hard training, the first time doing something new, the shoes, all of it.<br /><br />I never buy Runners World but I got it this month because of the Kara Goucher article everyone was talking about. It's a wonderful article and if you haven't read it, get a copy. It sure gives perspective to those crap races we're <i>all</i> gonna have at one time or another. Sorry it was your turn.Girl In Motionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12845071620369547052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668199593986982895.post-58861310043941974362010-02-14T17:24:10.606-08:002010-02-14T17:24:10.606-08:00It was not a disaster! It was your first cross cou...It was not a disaster! It was your first cross country race in the midst of some very hard training. I hope this experience doesn't scare you away from cross country in the future. Do you do all your running on roads? I forgot what you'd said about that. If you do, it's so easy to get into a groove because the footing is steady. Compare this to XC where you are running on grass or dirt or both, or sand, etc. Your legs work harder! And they were working harder on top of being tired from all your training. You did not get lapped! I would seriously take that as a personal victory, especially when running with the women you ran with! You did great, Jaymee! And it's nice to see how you're going to make changes in the future in order to take care of yourself and protect your longevity in this sport. Next year at XC Nationals, you will be way up there in the front!Glorybellenoreply@blogger.com